[1513]

Hi. This is my first post to All Alias. I wish I had found this website earlier!

I've tried searching this site (and the internet generally) for an answer to this but I can't find one. If it's an old old old matter already resolved long ago, my apologies (and would someone point me to where?). I'm new to Alias messageboarding, but I figured that this forum was definitely the place to ask.

Being all procrastinaty one day recently I decided to decode the message in the fifth season theme song. I was hoping I could confirm my solution to it with someone else who has done the same thing.

I can't tell if the coded message necessarily means anything specific for the series finale. It could just be a red herring. Or something that might have been intended to mean something back when it was first devised, but will no longer mean anything due to storyline and cast changes. And I didn't check to see if the message has stayed the same since the first season. But there it is, nevertheless!

Can anyone help me?

[Sydnee]

1513, on Dec 6 2005, 12:25 PM, said:

Hi. This is my first post to All Alias. I wish I had found this website earlier!

I've tried searching this site (and the internet generally) for an answer to this but I can't find one. If it's an old old old matter already resolved long ago, my apologies (and would someone point me to where?). I'm new to Alias messageboarding, but I figured that this forum was definitely the place to ask.

Being all procrastinaty one day recently I decided to decode the message in the fifth season theme song. I was hoping I could confirm my solution to it with someone else who has done the same thing.

I can't tell if the coded message necessarily means anything specific for the series finale. It could just be a red herring. Or something that might have been intended to mean something back when it was first devised, but will no longer mean anything due to storyline and cast changes. And I didn't check to see if the message has stayed the same since the first season. But there it is, nevertheless!

Can anyone help me?

Well did you find when you decoded it, what did it say?

Sydnee, on Dec 6 2005, 06:41 PM, said:

Well did you find when you decoded it, what did it say?

Sorry i ment "well what did you find..."

[UndercoverPhoenix47]

Ya. We need details. We might be able to help you if you could tell us what you found and how you found it. Thanks

[Bubbles]

OOOOO! *rubs hands together*

That sounds so cool! What did you find out? :reallyexcited:

[1513]

Sydnee, on Dec 6 2005, 06:43 PM, said:

Well did you find when you decoded it, what did it say?
Sorry i ment "well what did you find..."

Bubbles, on Dec 8 2005, 09:18 PM, said:

OOOOO! *rubs hands together*

That sounds so cool! What did you find out? :reallyexcited:

Right, yes, sorry.

The theme contains the message:

<0> AGENT KANE 47

[Lemon-Krumpitz]

Hmmm... dont really know if this has anything to do with it but there was an Ariana Kane in Season 2 who was head of counter intelligance for the Alliance and came to SD-6 to investigate Sloane's wifes death and she thought that Jack had done it. Doesnt really fit though....

[1513]

Lemon-Krumpitz, on Dec 8 2005, 11:34 PM, said:

Doesnt really fit though....

Yeah, seems like. But that's what makes me wonder why it's there...

I had somehow forgotten about Faye Dunaway's three episodes. I decoded the "Agent Kane" message and had to get my wife to check over my results -- she's ten times the Alias fan I am -- and I asked her, "does this mean anything?" She then reminded me about Ariana.

She also pointed out that in season 5 that Dean mentions the 12 in his codes. I'm trying to remember -- was the Alliance called the "Alliance of Twelve" at times?

[alias_chick_47]

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She also pointed out that in season 5 that Dean mentions the 12 in his codes. I'm trying to remember -- was the Alliance called the "Alliance of Twelve" at times?

Yes. I believe that in the Pilot episode, when Jack is telling Sydney about SD-6, they call the Alliance the "Alliance of Twelve."

[Dead-Drop]

This is really interesting. You really have made me wonder what it could mean?

This is really interesting. You really have made me wonder what it could mean?

[1513]

I'm on a trip away from home right now. When I get back, I should be able to post my decryption. Unfortunately, it's too much to remember completely off the top of my head. (Although I think they've even given hints about it indirectly in the series' dialogue too -- I'm sure many people on this board will have a better memory for those details than I do). Then if anyone wants to confirm my results, they can.

It'd be great if anyone wanted to go back and see if it's the same all the way back to season one. Once I noticed the 'hidden' (in Fight Club subliminal fashion) <O> in the theme song I went back and saw that it was there from the very beginning in episode 1.1 -- so I'm wondering if the message as a whole was already there too (ie, a year and a half before Agent Kane makes her first appearance) -- although, they've changed the actors' names and images in the theme a lot over the years, so, maybe not. Theoretically, there could be entirely different messages in every episode's theme. (I have also remembered that when that lame show "The Mole" was on a few years ago, they had apparently given away the answer to the mystery all the way back in the theme of the first episode -- or at least, so they claimed in the finale.)

And regarding the hidden 47. Of course, this could be just another one of those ubiquitous 47s. It could be just a hint that there's something Aliasy going on here. Or, since Agent Kane appears between the 47 and the <O> the speculating part of me wondered if she has something to do with Page 47 of the Rambaldi Journal. The other part of the code, after all, is the repetition of the letter R throughout the entire theme (which I figure has been obvious enough that I can't be the only person who noticed that). Despite the supposed confirmation of some physiological clues, Syd has proven that she's not really the one there depicted, hasn't she (by travelling to some place it mentions, thereby disproving it)? I remember the speculation that the woman there depicted might have been Irina instead. And I remember people pointing out how much Ariana is made up to look like Irina too. (And then using the transitive property...) In the APO book that came out this year, there's one photo of Ariana Kane. Of course, I'm sure it's a complete coincidence, but her head is in the exact same position in that photo as that of the woman in the Page 47 drawing. Plus Ariana and Irina are similar enough phonetically that the Rambaldi box that had the name on it (it was there spelled IRENA, wasn't it?) could refer to Ariana instead. These are just some of my musings however, and probably nothing but silliness.

This post has been edited by 1513: 09 December 2005 - 03:48 PM

[Lemon-Krumpitz]

Yeah. I've seen the <o> and the R in the theme song. Kane does look like Irina now that you mention it. I've never noticed the similarity before.

[Bubbles]

Whoa... we're all getting so detective-like now :ponder: But some interesting theories, I have to say

[alias_chick_47]

Yea...And I read somewhere that they were thinking of casting the woman who played Ariana as Irina. So it would make sense that they look alike.

And I too have noticed the <O> in the theme song. But, even though I've seen it a million times, I haven't noticed the r's. I guess I don't really pay attention.

[Bubbles]

I've never noticed the or the R's... where are they?

I'm so confused

[Ivanhoe 47]

I can see the <O> in the ALIAS sign, but nothing else. Where did you see the rest? What character pics are there when the Kane thing appears in the theme song?